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Amber Karnes 12:30:08
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Hi, I'm your host, Jivana Heyman, my pronouns are he and him. And I serve as the director of accessible yoga.
Amber Karnes 12:30:23
And I'm your co host, Amber Karnes, my pronouns are she and her, and I serve as president of the accessible yoga board of directors.
Hi, everyone, its Jivana. I'm back for another episode of the accessible yoga podcast with a very special guest today. One of my teachers, Nischala Joy Devi - Hi, Nischala!. Hi. Hi, thank you so much for being here. I, you know, I just want to say how excited I am to have you and talk to you. And you really were one of my most important teachers. And I'm happy to talk more about that. I also think that you've just had such a major impact on yoga in the last I don't know how many years. And you have four books out, I just want to mention them before we get started. The secret power of yoga, which we're going to talk about a little bit today, which is a translation of the yoga Sutras of Patanjali. Then meditation in the yoga tradition, then Namath day effect and the healing path of yoga. And I think that was your first book, is that right? The healing of yoga. And I, I met you when you basically created the yoga portion of the Dean Ornish program. I don't even know what that was, and I got to train with you, and then work with you, you basically taught me how to adapt yoga, you know, which was I mean, that's what I do. And I was like, You really were like, such a major influence in my life, and help me kind of think of what accessible yoga could be. So I'm just incredibly grateful to you. And thanks for being here. So how are you?
Nischala Joy Devi 12:32:04
I'm good. Very well. Thank you. Yeah.
And is the healing path of yoga? The first one? Was that your first book?
Nischala Joy Devi 12:32:13
Yeah, that was the first one. It was my intention. It was the very beginning of yoga therapy, as we know it today in the broader sector. And I just felt like I wanted to write down my experiences of people, especially with cardiac and cancer that I had been working with for many years. And I wanted people to understand it. Now. It seems a little funny. And I wanted people to understand at that point, that yoga could be therapeutic. Yeah, so that book was written. And it now has become the classic because the first one, the first one that ever had shared posts is in it, the first one that ever had explanations of how to adapt poses. So
yeah, that was 2000. Right? Yeah.
Nischala Joy Devi 12:33:03
As a time, it was revolutionary. Now, it's like, oh, it's a yoga therapy book. So things have changed in the last 22 years, for sure. Yeah.
It was revolutionary. And I know, you know, it was exactly what I was looking for. I mean, you really helped open my eyes. And I know, I mean, I think the Dean Ornish program in general helped to kind of pave the way for yoga therapy today, right? Yeah. It was incredible. And I know you're,
Nischala Joy Devi 12:33:34
I had an interesting experience a couple of weeks ago, it happened to go into a Western medical establishment. And it was a very unpleasant experience. So I won't go into experience with it. But as I was sitting there experiencing this, I thought to myself, all those years that I tried to reform the medical community, and I think I failed. And then another part of my mind came in and said, Yes, but you brought the alternative way of healing into the mainstream. So it offset the disappointment in how the medical establishment has not changed. So. So it was an interesting juxtaposition. And I think the healing path of yoga has something to do with that. And the Dean Ornish program definitely brought alternative medicine into mainstream. So I felt good about that. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't know if it's possible for anyone to change the West Western medicine at this point. It's like beyond help, but you know, like you said, yoga therapy, yoga therapy. Like, I know that when I met you, it just no one else was doing it. I mean, there was really no, not at least no one was really trying to integrate yoga into western medicine. In the way that you were in Dean Ornish, and that was just, it was groundbreaking and exciting. I mean, it was exciting times, I think exciting.
Nischala Joy Devi 12:35:08
And I don't think most people have the experience, because I was trained in western medicine. I was, assistant. So I had, I knew what happened there. And I knew what happened in the yoga world. And I was trying to meld the two together. And what we see the results and the next 10 years, we're going to see much more. I have no doubt. Yeah, people growing and being able to have either or, and both at the same time.
Yeah, I wondered if you could talk about that. Like, how do you feel it's gone? So it's been? I don't know how long now? What, 30 years since you started that, is that right?
Nischala Joy Devi 12:35:54
Think about 80 to 82?
Okay, wow, that's more than 30 years? Yes.
Nischala Joy Devi 12:36:01
When we started getting our protocol together, we took the first patients to 84. Wow. And the amazing thing, if you want to really go further, is some of those patients are still meeting today.
Every Monday? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That's incredible.
Nischala Joy Devi 12:36:22
Incredible. Yeah. The family, they become a family.
That they're still alive. That's 40 years?
Nischala Joy Devi 12:36:29
Well, yes. And that says something for how yoga affects the body, and especially the heart. Yeah, very powerful.
But how do you feel yoga therapy has about yoga therapy? I mean, I don't it's I know, it's a large now it's a big area. It's a big field, lots of different things happening in it. But did you ever imagine this? Is this what you had in mind?
Nischala Joy Devi 12:36:58
I actually did it. And I didn't imagine that yoga would become like a test. So those, those those things, and, you know, I think that I have enough experience to know that you can start something. But then it takes on a life of its own. And it's going where it needs to go. Because we're very, we're a society that likes trends and likes new things, and takes them on was such forever, that I'm hoping it's not just a trend, I'm hoping there's something here to stay. People eating well, moving their bodies in touch with their spirit. All of that should be commonplace on a day to day basis. So I'm hoping that that stays, and yoga therapy will go through more of changes, because guess what it does? And it's interesting, because when I started, I was smiling and laughing, which people can see it's audio, but I'm laughing because there were just about five of us that started all this. And when we started it, we had no idea where it was gonna dump. No idea what we just knew that it had to have some kind of foundation to it. People couldn't just take what they learned from yoga, and go out. And most people didn't have the skills and go out and work with people who were ill. But we had no idea that I think I was one of the founders of international association of yoga therapists. I think we just celebrated our 35th years. That's boggling to me. Because you just do it. You just teach people, you just see people and you don't think about the years or what you're doing. You just do it. And suddenly, all 1000s of people are now doing it. And there's training programs all over the world. And people are being helped by it. So that gives me great joy. Yeah, it's time for me to pull out. Yeah, because there's everything. There's different levels. There's the visionaries. And then when the vision is solidified, the sustainers takeover. And they're the ones that have as I have it right now, the visionaries kind of back out a little bit. And when we start envisioning something else, because the next vision, whatever that might be,
what is that? I mean, can you share what that might be? I don't know if that's, you know,
Nischala Joy Devi 12:39:50
what I - My benefit was my original intention. And then I got into yoga therapy. I think what yoga therapy has done A larger way than just help the people heal, if actually brought them to the ultimate healing, or realizing there's something else inside the body in the mind. So my hope is to move them into that every moment knowledge that they are something greater than what they see in the mirror, that there's a part of them. That's the same as the part of the person in tribal Africa, that they share something. And that's my hope. Because I think that's the next stage of healing. After we take care of the body, and even the mind, we have to get to the Spirit, because real healing can't take place without the Spirit being present.
And that's the heart of yoga. I mean, that's what you're saying is you want to go back to the essence of the teachings,
Nischala Joy Devi 12:41:02
and then something that sustains people, because no matter how much we treat them, or give them tools to treat themselves, sickness happens, it just does. It's, it's just a part of life. We're not, and my intention was not to get rid of the diseases, but you understand why we have them, and to correct the underlying this aspect of it, therefore the deceased and curious itself. So I feel like if people can get back to who they are not identifying with a weak body or weak mind, but really see that they're a part of that divine essence, then I think everything will change.
Yeah, that's. Yeah, I mean, that's really what yoga is for. And I know, I mean, if we could talk for a minute about your translation of the yoga Sutras, I just want to say, I mean, you're, you have such an important voice. I think, in terms of the way you've offered those teachings. And it's interesting, I think you and I spoken about this before, but the subtitle, so the book is the secret power of yoga, a woman's guide to the heart and spirit of the yoga Sutras. But that's not really like, what does that mean to you, when you say a Women's Guide,
Unknown Speaker 12:42:25
is that a woman is guiding. So it's a woman's voice, and a woman's heart is guiding people to the yoga Sutras, because most of the translations are from the mind. And while they're very scholarly, a lot of them a lot of people can't really relate to them. Because I think that what happens with yoga, whether you have a male or female body, or identify with it, there's a feminine part of us that comes out, because the hardest game engaged, right, and when the heart is getting engaged, we develop more female characteristics. No matter what kind of body we're in, we develop more compassion, we develop more understanding, empathy, etc. So also at the time, the reason that they did that subtitle is very interesting. There had been no other books written by a woman, interpreted by a woman. And they wanted it to stand out. Because most of the people that practice yoga, and had practice yoga are women. Right? So there's about 90%, maybe 85% that are practicing, that could not relate to the oldest mind mental self. And when it became part of the yoga Teachers Training to take the yoga suture classes, they didn't want to do it. And then this one came out and it suddenly was okay, this I can relate to. Yeah, because I have parables in it that are women parables. Not at all the others are male power parables. So and it is funny, even in something like the Bible, women are barely mentioned. And if they are in a negative way, they're either buried or prostitutes. So it was time for the women to shine a little bit not to not to put the man down. Because I don't think that's, that's not yoga. But it was to it was like the old sir, with the rowboats. When the tide rises, the yachts rise, but also the row boats rise, and it was the same kind of thing. If, if you're with a heart, everything rises, everything else comes into that. And, you know, it's also was interesting my, my literary agent at the time was very much into literacy obviously in all over the world. And that was her passion. And she wants to say to me, you know, when women are educated, the whole family is educated. So I thought, Well, okay, this is a good thing to do. And I guess it was good, because it's very good, very successful. And in May, we're coming out with a second edition where I added the last two Padas, which were a little bit more esoteric. And I didn't necessarily want them. Once you confuse people anymore. They were they were confused because it talks about powers and things. But as the time got on, I realized, not only I was ready to write it, but I think the yoga students are doing good reading.
I'm so excited about. I just want to say though, that I first of all, I quote you in my book, and my latest book, and the thing that I love that you do in the suit in your translation of the sutras is you you make very often you'll take the negatives and make them positive. Yeah, yeah. And I think that's so much easier for my mind to grasp. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's so hard to think of not doing something, but instead, to give me like, a direction do this? Yeah. You know, like, like, the example I used, I think that I quote you on is ahimsa. And your translation is basically love and compassion. And to me, it's so beautiful, because to say, oh, to not harm, it's like, what does that mean? You know, it's not hard. It's complex. But when you say to be loving and compassionate, it's just so much clearer.
Unknown Speaker 12:46:50
It's so much easier. And how do you how do you equate non violence with the hot one of the highest spiritual truths, it's just not, it's love and compassion. Thank you for for experiencing that, because that was my intention. I really wanted to get rid of all the knobs and the options. And it was interesting, because I also got rid of a lot of the he's now in this next book, I had to write a little bit more about that, because now we have people identifying with neither. But we haven't come up with a good pronoun yet. So I addressed that in the book, how we need to find something that includes everybody. Everybody has to be included. Because it doesn't matter what you identify as you are. We're all spiritual beings, right? Yeah, yeah.
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And the other thing I just quoted you the other day, I think in our last episode of this podcast, an image that you taught me about meditation when you were you. I mean, I've taken many trainings with you over the years, but there was an image that stuck with me, which was you said once that meditating is like, it's like, instead of walking down the street, it's like you're flying an airplane over that same street, and you have a different view, a different perspective. And I just felt like that was such a beautiful image, because it's not that we need to change anything. We're not trying to change the world. All we have to do is shift the way we see things and it'll look different. And I thought that was very powerful too.
Nischala Joy Devi 12:49:56
And when we shift the world shifts. Yeah, that's enough. Have people shift in a certain direction? It shifts. And I think people are basically afraid of meditation is something that seems so far away. So mystical. So I try to make it simple enough. But keep the mysticism because you take the mysticism out of yoga, and there's nothing left. It's a mystical tradition.
Okay, wait. So that makes me want to go back to talking about the third and fourth pata? Of course, I haven't read what you've written yet. But I'm just curious, could you give us like a sense
Nischala Joy Devi 12:50:39
You can pre order it on Amazon.
I'll pre order it. But I'm also wondering, and we'll put a link in the show notes for that for people can find to preorder. It comes out in May I see. And buy Can you give me a sense of where where do you go with that with those pada? Like I know, I know in pada 3, it's very much about the powers. Like if you meditate on a feather, you can levitate stuff like that work? Where do you go with that?
Nischala Joy Devi 12:51:11
So first of all, how does three is really about meditation. That's really the meditation, and then it goes into, I call them gifts along the way. Powers, because I think what has happened, they've been demonized. And I'm here to defend them. I think it's something that naturally happens. And a lot of people will have them from birth from previous life, etc. And what I'm trying to show people is that you may already have it, this is what it feels like, be. What I do is I take the eight, there's eight major cities being light as a feather having exists. And what I do is I bring them into our world and talk about people who haven't mastered them. Like, for instance, for the lightest feather, I use regression, Acuff as an example. ballet dancer. No, I actually saw leap onto the stage. And it looks like he was flying. He made himself that light. And when he landed, he landed with the grace of an eagle. So what I'm trying to say to people, yes, these may be beyond what you're, you're right now. But these are things that do happen in our world. They may not be exact, but it's the beginning of that city.
Yes, well, actually, the one I can always relate to, and I'm not remembering exactly you can help me but it's where you could basically read someone's mind by meditating on the shape of their body, like the other form. And I always made me think of kind of my intuitive feelings that I got about people when I met them, like from just seeing them and getting their energy.
Unknown Speaker 12:53:11
Yeah, exactly. And this is exactly why I put it that way. I want you to know that you already have some of the cities that are not so far out. The important thing and why we've been cautioned against them is they're so enticing, that people want to get to be there more instead. So they say to you don't get caught up in them. If they come, I understand them, and then go on to your spiritual expansion. Awesome. But I felt that people needed to know I, I'm not one of those people that thinks, Oh, you don't need to know that. That's not important. I feel it's up to you. I'm putting it out there. If you want to understand it, or you want to read great if you don't pray, but you're adults, you should be able to have that material available to you. See, iron a this is so funny, is everybody says don't pay attention to the third pada. It has more sutures in it than any of the other pada. Right. Somebody thought they were important. And I certainly I did the best I could with them. Because it's hard to explain a lot of them. It's just not something even meditation, the stages of meditation into Samadhi is different. And that's why I don't know if you saw it in the lab, the first five sutras I did in the third book and in the first edition, and I describe meditation, the stages like putting oil on a piece of cloth or leather. The first if you put it on for a short time, it works out In the leather, if you put it on for a longer time your work starts to shorts, soften it. But if you leave it on for a long time, the leather becomes pliable. And that's what happens if it's a short meditation is Dhyana. If it's longer, it's I'm sorry, Dharana. If it's shorter, it's Dhyana. And then if you absorb, you get into medicine into Samadhi. We're settled in the siddhis. So it's very logical. If you look at it that way. I'm so excited about this.
Yeah, no, I like that. Because that word absorption is what they use sometimes right to define Samadhi absorption. What about Pada four? Can you talk about that?
Nischala Joy Devi 12:55:48
a little bit more is really the most esoteric. I mean, here we're getting into. It was interesting. I'm doing it that advanced course on a regular basis. And the other day someone asked me about that. They said, How come there's no real mention of death in the sutures, they, you know, casually mentioned a few times, I said, because it doesn't pay attention to the body. It's about the spirit. And the fourth part of the qualia, which we call absolute Ness, which has no bearing on anything is so far out. But you know what it comes back to Jivana. And this is why I got so excited about it, he starts talking and even in part three, it starts talking about the free diet. The free diet is the spiritual heart. And one of the things about reading the mind, it says when you know the contents of the fruit, Daya, all the thoughts are known. So it tells you you go into the heart to understand the mind. So that keeps coming back in the third or fourth, tada. Get back to the heart. Let the mind go. Go back to the heart. And I love that. I love that.
I love that too. That reminds me of Tino. In one of the upanashads. There's that beautiful quote about you know, all the universes inside this little place in the heart. I don't know, I'm paraphrasing.
Unknown Speaker 12:57:36
It talks about the light in the center of the heart. Yeah, that does this archive. That's where our spirit lives. They call it a small still flame in the center of the heart, and the kind of shots and that's actually where I went to get my definition for the second sutra yoga Chitta Vritti nirodh. Because everybody else translated to the mind, and I knew it wasn't mind. So I went back to the Upanashads. And sure enough, it says very clearly that we reside in a small flame in our hearts.
Is that your translation of sutra to I actually have the book, but it's over there in my bookshelf, so you can just tell me
Nischala Joy Devi 12:58:24
it's yoga is uniting of consciousness in the heart,
right? Yes. That's beautiful.
Nischala Joy Devi 12:58:33
Yeah, yeah. Because the mind will only take you so far. He starts coming in with doubts and starts coming in with Am I good enough? Am I smart enough? Or then I'm smarter than everybody. I'm better than everybody. And with the heart never does. One of my favorite quotes about the heart already I forget his name. The quoted him said the heart has reasons. That reason knows nothing of. Isn't that great? Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, the heart has releases that reason knows nothing. Yeah.
I mean, that's like, I always go to like the Bhakti poets, you know, like Rumi and Kabira. They always had that down. Like they get that, you know, that, like, stop trying to understand like, just feel, you know, or mirror by, you know, the great poet like that. They say so clearly that, and I think, yeah, it's so awesome that you bring that in, because we use such an intellectual approach to the yoga teachings. And it just I think it's, I think it's all dangerous, actually.
Nischala Joy Devi 12:59:48
Dangerous. Yeah. Because and then see, I think, in our society, we have taken the heart out, and we put the mind in and even then the languaging and then Brilliant science, which confuses everyone, people don't they haven't been I still am a scientist, I understand the science changes. People think science is always the same. And it's not a changes as you learn new things, the whole hypothesis can change, everything changes. And, but the heart never changes. The heart always sees love and light, and the other person is our own being. So if I'm just hoping there's a shift, that's, that's my hope. And all I can do, I'm just a small voice. And I can just put out the book and hope that people understand and the same with the NAMA save that I did the NAMA say, effect as love through the chakras. Each chakra you can love, we love differently from each chakra, the base chakra, you love your home, you love your surroundings, you love your earth, everything like that. And it keeps changing as we go through the different chocolates. So I think, in our society, we want things to stay the same. And life never stays the same. So instead, we need to go to the one thing that doesn't ever change. And that's the spirit. So that's, that's what I've been hoping to convey.
And what do you think about contemporary teaching? I mean, I don't know if you can, if you have a comment, or like a thought about the way that you see yoga these days, and I have to say, like I, I think it's such a diverse community. But in the West, especially in the US, it seems like it's still a very physical practice. I just wonder if you have thoughts about that about the way that we're practicing.
Nischala Joy Devi 13:02:08
I, so it's very interesting to me, but not surprising that the United States took on this physical physicality, because it's very safe. We don't have to delve into the mind and what the mind is doing. We don't have to do delve into are we connected with the Spirit. So we, we worship the physical, the problem is the physical change. And then when it changes, we get upset. I hear people say, Well, I've been practicing yoga, why should I get sick? Well, there's so many other factors in why we get sick. So the other thing that the yoga community has done in the mostly in the United States, because I travel over and I see that the differences, but mostly in the United States, is taken on and COVID certainly changed this to be more extreme. We've made it like a college course, we've made it intellectual. So we have people take a course and have them write a paper on it, we grade them on it, etc. And then we give them a certificate to teach children. You know, it just doesn't seem enough for me. So what I'm actually doing in my life is I'm going back to the old style of the teacher, mentoring the students, the teacher. Having a small group, that's the other thing we've taken on these huge groups, you can't really impart the teachings, because to me, yoga teachings are not just something in a book, otherwise, I just send people my book. But it's the Shakti. It's the energy of the teacher that you're receiving, that helps you understand what you're learning. And then you go and pass that on to the next, like you were just talking. I gave it to you, and now you're giving it to other people, and other people will do the same. That's the way it's always been. It's always been teacher, student, teacher, student. And I think all this going to books at this mental learning. It's actually not different than what they did with nurses. When I was in training. The nurses went right into the hospital, and we're trained with patients almost immediately. Now they sit in the classroom for two to three years is very different. So there has to be first of all, there has to be the balance of teaching and practice your own practice and Not just us, and that there has to be that deeper practice where you get the energy, when you get the Shakti to be able to impart to the other person. That's how how it all works. So I think that we have gotten on a university track in this country. Yeah, we're teaching yoga in that way, not the way Patanjali taught it, or it was taught years ago, sitting under a tree and listening to a teacher give a discourse. And then a certain point, the teacher said, Okay, here's the practice, go off for three days, practice it, and come back and tell me what you experienced. We don't do that. And people are so quick. They want to teach, they don't take the time to learn. How many years do we sit there before we can tell people? That to me is very, very, very important. And you know, the only way I taught is Swami Satchidananda walked up to me one day and said, you're ready to teach? I said, he said, Yes, you are, and you have enough. So that's what I was sort of hoping to get to, but not when you have 100 people in a classroom. You can't do that. It becomes especially on Zoom. If it comes to like a university class. So sorry, to offend anybody.
Okay. No, I, I agree and to extend because I find many people come to me, and they it's like, they don't know how to deal with real people. I think in teacher training, sometimes we're working on this like, idealized body like we work with people who have no, I don't know what like non disabled bodies, sayin,
Nischala Joy Devi 13:06:55
very flexible, able bodied, able bodied, say, Yeah,
able bodied, so then, you know, then you go to real life, and you're like, oh, wow, what do I do with real people? And that's, I think that's a problem. It's like, you have to really understand what it's like to work with real people.
Nischala Joy Devi 13:07:16
And I would even add, that when you start working with people who are not able bodied, and have issues, whether it's body, mind, etc. It's too simplistic. They say, Oh, if this person could only do shoulder sand twice a day, they wouldn't have thyroid problems. Well, it's not that simple. It's just not that simple. The thyroid problem comes because something back in the chain got disrupted. Thyroid problems just don't happen. So or whatever heart problems or whatever it is, has the disability. And we have to have the compassion not only for the physicality of it, but to understand that that person just doesn't understand that there's other components to it. Like, why would notation help my heart? Right, right. Or the pain in my from my bone cancer? It doesn't help, but it does.
Yeah, and I don't know how you got people to do it. Like, how did you convince them?
Nischala Joy Devi 13:08:32
Well, most of our people were so sick. It was it was a choice. yoga. Yes. Or surgery. So give it a try. Yeah,
I remember I remember some of those students fondly. I really amazing. very inspired. Yeah. Yeah, I guess because it's like, if you are, if you really have not very good options, then yoga sounds better. You know, the discipline of yoga isn't so scary.
Nischala Joy Devi 13:09:08
You know, miracle of it. You say got it. They really understood it after they practiced it. Let me just give you one very sweet example. This man was coming back for his second or third cardiac retreat. And so he had been on a vegetarian diet as he thought for cholesterol races, because that's all we talked about in the beginning. And then I was giving a talk and I was talking about Ahimsa, which we just talked about a while ago. And I said, it's when you feel compassion for the animals that you don't just don't eat them. And so he got this very curious look on his face, and he raised his hand. And I said, I called on him, and he said, I never heard this before I thought about it. He said that I noticed something different when I became a vegetarian. I said, What was it? He said, butterflies land on you now.
To me, what it said is his heart was healing. That's what I told because we make those leaps by ourselves, but we get we need someone to validate them for us most of the time. Is that right? So I decided to use my either. And he told me that I think that's why they land on you now. It was, he became five, he became five in that innocence in that sweetness in that washing butterflies landowners. So that's what kept me going all the years. And that's why I'm still going and doing it because people like that he got it. People like, he's just one of 1000s. Yeah, it's very powerful.
And so how can people find you? I mean, your new book? Well, your the new edition comes out in May, May 10. The secret power of yoga, or with third and fourth Patos, which is very exciting. And what else can we I know you have online classes,
Nischala Joy Devi 13:11:35
online classes that people can take for credit for yoga Alliance or for it or just for their own knowledge, which is wonderful. And I'm still doing classes, some live. I have one in actually in California next month. Subtle anatomy. So if they look on our website, the courses are listed summarize zoom. Summer live at this point. And yeah.
Are you going to work on another book you think?
Nischala Joy Devi 13:12:13
Probably, you don't ask a woman on the delivery table when she I enjoy writing. And I enjoyed hearing from people how they're what they're getting out of it. So probably something will come along. But first, birth this one.
Okay. I know. People always asked me that, too. It's really too much to ask when you've just published or just publishing another. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you so much. Anything else you want to share with us? I just appreciate your time and everything I've learned from you. And you know, I really hope that people will read your books. We'll put links in the show notes so people can fi n d them and you
Nischala Joy Devi 13:12:57
I hope that people find their own heart. Yes, that's my only hope. Well, however, means that is whether it's from the sutras or this yoga, whether it's from their own tradition, just in this world, we need to be with our hearts. And everybody else is fine. So love. I know it sounds folding, corny, and it's so good. You need to love each other.
We need to love each other. And yeah, thank you.
Nischala Joy Devi 13:13:31
And enjoy much too long. Thank you.
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Amber Karnes 13:14:04
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